What’s the basis for saying that people in the 1830′s believed hallucinations before reading? That’s a wide generalization.
There’s a great academic conference on Joseph Smith that was put on by the Library of Congress. They talk about the early treasure hunting events in terms of primary sources. The best is likely from Dr. Givens (http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,510-1-3067-1,00.html)
Joseph Smith was a WANTED CONFIDENCE MAN. At the time he was hiding out in the woods, he had no less than **40 FEDERAL INDICTMENTS** against him for conning people out of their money in various different ways. Had he traveled to the South after the Civil War, he would have been known as a “carpetbagger”, or a “snake oil salesman”.
yeah, no WONDER he was out “in the woods”! The FEDS were after him!! I’ll bet he thought about it in this way, (this is my imagination only, but feel free to steal it)
“Hm, I could stay on the run for the rest of my life, always looking over my shoulder for the Feds……..OR I could leave, surrounded by followers!! I’ll just write a book and claim an angel dictated it, then when I migrate with my new followers, I’ll just give them the slip once we’re out in the country! but…..what kind of MORON would buy this story?…….wait. the name of the angel is…..I, MORON! LOLOLOLOLOLOL, naw too obvious. what if I just put the “I” at the end of “Moron”? MORONI!! yes, that’s it! hilarious AND subtle enough to slip by the rubes I’ll need to surround me.”
Jeffery, brilliant. Perfect. Timely satire. Seriously, this strikes at the essence of foundational Mormonism in the context of modern Mormonism’s obfuscating marketing scheme.
@Kurofune: you will, of course, notice that it didn’t say “all people” or even “most people.” Without the qualifier, it just means “there are people” who believe more in dreams, etc. PLUS, it is still true for 2012!!! How many Latter-day Saints (or Christians) do you know who would rather base their worldviews and opinions from reading scientifically-based or historically-minded works than in dream-based scriptures?
Comparing black and jewish people to Mormons is ignorant and stupid. Especially since blacks were not considered full humans in the church untill 40 years ago and jews, the christian god’s “chosen people,” need to become mormons in order to go to mormon heaven. Mormons say the darnest things when they get all bitchy and defensive…
What is most interesting is that what the post / cartoon states is absolutely true. When I was a Mormon I believeds in so much crap. Contrast is a good thing. So is the truth on things as well.
While it may be true that “Ape not Monkey” became more “hardcore” after Clemen’s appearance, it hasn’t took apart from it’s original aiming: religious satire. It was religious satire since the beginning, and it keeps being that, it has never satirized any ethnicity or race so I don’t know what made “Cool” think that it will start making fun of groups of people like blacks or Jews out of nowhere. It may make fun of Judaism eventually, but I don’t think it will ever make fun of Jewish people in general.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:34 am
What’s the basis for saying that people in the 1830′s believed hallucinations before reading? That’s a wide generalization.
There’s a great academic conference on Joseph Smith that was put on by the Library of Congress. They talk about the early treasure hunting events in terms of primary sources. The best is likely from Dr. Givens (http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,510-1-3067-1,00.html)
February 10th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Joseph Smith was a WANTED CONFIDENCE MAN. At the time he was hiding out in the woods, he had no less than **40 FEDERAL INDICTMENTS** against him for conning people out of their money in various different ways. Had he traveled to the South after the Civil War, he would have been known as a “carpetbagger”, or a “snake oil salesman”.
yeah, no WONDER he was out “in the woods”! The FEDS were after him!! I’ll bet he thought about it in this way, (this is my imagination only, but feel free to steal it)
“Hm, I could stay on the run for the rest of my life, always looking over my shoulder for the Feds……..OR I could leave, surrounded by followers!! I’ll just write a book and claim an angel dictated it, then when I migrate with my new followers, I’ll just give them the slip once we’re out in the country! but…..what kind of MORON would buy this story?…….wait. the name of the angel is…..I, MORON! LOLOLOLOLOLOL, naw too obvious. what if I just put the “I” at the end of “Moron”? MORONI!! yes, that’s it! hilarious AND subtle enough to slip by the rubes I’ll need to surround me.”
February 10th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Jeffery, brilliant. Perfect. Timely satire. Seriously, this strikes at the essence of foundational Mormonism in the context of modern Mormonism’s obfuscating marketing scheme.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:13 am
It’s too bad they misspelled the name of their religion. Moron is more appropriate and accurate.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:46 am
@Kurofune: you will, of course, notice that it didn’t say “all people” or even “most people.” Without the qualifier, it just means “there are people” who believe more in dreams, etc. PLUS, it is still true for 2012!!! How many Latter-day Saints (or Christians) do you know who would rather base their worldviews and opinions from reading scientifically-based or historically-minded works than in dream-based scriptures?
February 10th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
LOL. I cant wait to see you comic strip about how stupid Jews and black people are!
February 11th, 2012 at 6:35 am
Comparing black and jewish people to Mormons is ignorant and stupid. Especially since blacks were not considered full humans in the church untill 40 years ago and jews, the christian god’s “chosen people,” need to become mormons in order to go to mormon heaven. Mormons say the darnest things when they get all bitchy and defensive…
February 11th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
What is most interesting is that what the post / cartoon states is absolutely true. When I was a Mormon I believeds in so much crap. Contrast is a good thing. So is the truth on things as well.
February 12th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
While it may be true that “Ape not Monkey” became more “hardcore” after Clemen’s appearance, it hasn’t took apart from it’s original aiming: religious satire. It was religious satire since the beginning, and it keeps being that, it has never satirized any ethnicity or race so I don’t know what made “Cool” think that it will start making fun of groups of people like blacks or Jews out of nowhere. It may make fun of Judaism eventually, but I don’t think it will ever make fun of Jewish people in general.